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Maybe I can help here.I met with Richard McCubbine the developer on Tuesday 3rd July 2007 as reported here:http://thecowanreport.blogspot.com/2007/07/council-deal-set-to-see-giant-building.html Mr McCubbine is a Director of Development Securities, the property developer for the NCP site. He brought along his architect and his corporate affairs person from PPS. He had requested the meeting as I am one of the ward councillors for the locale.He told me two things that demonstrate that the Council has had considerable influence on the NCP development to date.1. That representatives of H&F Council had contacted his organisation in November 2006 to insist that a cinema would be added to the design. This ties this development in with the Council’s controversial plans to demolish Hammersmith’s current cinema at the top of King Street in order to build a new office block for council workers.2. That he had hoped to have had his proposal put before the Council’s July Planning Committee. He said that this hadn’t happened at the Council’s insistence as negotiations were still ongoing. Readers will recall that Development Securities submitted their application to the Council on the 25th May 2007 but that it was only validated on 10th August 2007.There have been eleven meetings between the Council and the developer since Nov 15th. The senior official leading on this is Nigel Pallace, the Director of the Environment. He has not provided me with specific details of what was discussed in all eleven meetings despite being asked to do so in early July. I understand that the councillors leading on the NCP Development are Cllr. Stephen Greenhalgh (Con), the Leader of the Council, Cllr. Nicholas Botterill (Con), the Deputy Leader of the Council & Cllr. Francis Stainton (Con), the Cabinet Member for RegenerationTo be fair to Cllr. Mark Loveday (Con), I understand that he has not been leading on the NCP development. However, Mark is the Cabinet Member for Strategy and is the lead councillor for the King Street Development - which is expected to see the current cinema demolished.The Council will be paid a Section 106 payment if the NCP development goes through. I’m not a planning expert but I understand that the Council will receive more money if the building complex is bigger. I have asked officials to confirm if this is true.I am concerned that the NCP development may be a done deal. I know residents who witnessed the Larden Rd development get pushed through planning have similar concerns. You can read about that here; http://thecowanreport.blogspot.com/2007/09/residents-in-uproar-as-controversial.htmlThere was a previous proposal to build an office block on that site in the late 90s. It was 50% smaller than this one. I understand that it was dropped before going to planning.As I’m not on the planning committee so I am legally free to express my views. Those are that this is too large a building for that site. It’s wrong for that part of Hammersmith Grove as it damages the link into a residential area. And (although this is subjective) I think the design is already very dated.There is talk of arranging a public meeting. It would be helpful if Administration Councillors would turn up so we can discuss all this out in the open. I will let you know about this by the end of the week. Cllr. Stephen CowanLeader of the OppositionCouncillor for Hammersmith Broadway Ward

Stephen Cowan ● 6517d

Mmm.I have not been looking at this site for a few days. When I come back I see I am accused of lying, that the Council is in bed with the developer, that there are payoffs and so on. And this is all the result of a post I made which was CRITICAL of the developer for not consulting.Quite how you think this kind of abuse helps your cause is beyond me. I will simply assume the posts are black propaganda from certain PR firms to smear opponents of the scheme and ignore them...Of course the developers came into the Town Hall to ask about planning policy before they made their planning application. There is nothing sinister about that. They would have been potty not to. Trying to build this up into a conspiracy is all rather silly.However, what the developers never did was to engage with the Council or with amenity groups to come up with a joint vision for this piece of land. It is a fact that (1) having put in the planning application, the developers were faced with objections and (2) that they have now changed the scheme (albeit rather late in the day) in response to those objections.Whether those changes are enough is now legally a matter for the planning committee. I cannot possibly comment on the application ahead of the planning meeting - it would be a gift to the lawyers if I did so.However, remember that this is a scuzzy bomb site right in the heart of Hammersmith Town Centre. It is a scandal it was left derelict for 40 odd years and I am surprised residents were not up in arms about it before. There must be a better use for this than as a grotty car park.This thread has become hysterical. Unlike some of the people here, I have been posting on the forum for years. I don't think I have ever accused anyone of lying or taking bribes. However, with this level of abuse I'm really not sure it's worth the candle any more.

Mark Loveday ● 6517d

I don't work on Cambridge Grove by the way.  But, why would you think social housing (for which there is a case -I don't disagree necessarily) wouldn't cause all the same problems in terms of parking, traffic, more use of the area, conflict over design etc.etc. I've lived in Hammersmith for over 10 years and I'm concerned that it's becoming more run down rather than otherwise and we don't need another development that also turns into a rundown grubby space full of poor quality fast food shops and mini cab offices (like parts of King Street and parts of Beadon Road now).  For good or for bad, Hammersmith Grove has two distinct sections - the mainly residential 'top' end going towards Goldhawk Road and the bottom end, which is semi-commercial and abuts a fully commercial and busy area - no development is going to turn it into a quiet leafy traffic free residential/recreational area because it's not that even now. Also, as stated before, the King Street cinema is not connected to this site in any way so I'm note sure why it keeps getting dragged into this discussion - it's in separate private ownership and the two sites have no bearing on each other and they don't purport to have the same offer. If you have ideas for the King Street cinema site then contact the ownership OR contact the council re. their development of the town hall, but why muddy the waters by bringing it into the discussion about this site. Re. the design, everyone will have their own personal opinion on this as is pretty much always the case with new buildings of any impact.

Frances McAllister ● 6518d

10 car parking spaces is the answer, 2 of which will be for  the disabled. The art deco cinema may be a flee tip but that does not mean that it could not be used for something else.Frances McAllister may work in Cambridge Grove but you obviously are not one of the thousands LIVING in Hammersmith Grove.The design is dated, over large and ugly in what will be an enclosed area. If the council wanted to place it on the site of the grotesque art deco pink pastiche otherwise known as the Broadway centre which was chosen over what would have been an iconic Norman Foster design [why?] fine.I along with a few other residents have asked nearly every resident of the Grove what they think of this development. The results were unanimously hostile.The surrounding office blocks including the glass one in Lyric square which has been empty since completion have been contacted and the huge amount of empty office space has been included in our objections to the planning committee.There is absolutely NO grounds for further empty office space in this area. It will give no benefit to the local economy. If this carp park is deemed to need development, even if it is going to be 12 stories high and look like an elephants backside then why is it not being developed as much needed social housing? There are currently 10 000 people in this borough on housing waiting lists and costing taxpayers millions through B&B and temporary accommodation. This would 'regenerate' the area [if it needs it] by giving support to our local traders.Another empty office block will not.

John Price ● 6519d

I have seen the previous letters to the council.  It's expressions like 'beached whale' or 'Blob Square' (one of your colleagues I believe) that I mean.  Whilst you're completely entitled to your opinion and your obviously strong feelings, I repeat it doesn't help reasoned argument.  Also to link this site with the cinema at the end of King Street doesn't help - they are nothing to do with one another and in fact the Cineworld is not even owned by the cinema company any longer.  Any initiatives to do with that site have to be considered separately on their own merits since the shadow of Tesco probably still hangs over it. The main reason that this office development differs from other local office space is that it is designed to go to a single company as an HQ (for which there is strong demand in West London).  This tends to be a good thing for an area as you have then have a major investor in the future and fate of the town centre.  1 Lyric Square and the MWB Building on the Grove just next to the car park on the other hand are both multi-let businesses and the fact they advertise lettings doesn't necessarily mean they're empty, it just means there's constant turnover - I actually work in 1 Lyric Square so I'm aware of it. I'm afaird the hard truth of the matter is that all development comes down to commercial viability and the office space, having the highest value, is probably what will in the main pay for the rest of the development, i.e. the shops the cinema, the cafes, the landscaping, all of which would be high risk otherwise. Also, the landscaping of that end of the Grove and the opportunity to create synergy between this development and the development of the H&C tube station must surely be a good thing, from anyones' point of view.

Frances McAllister ● 6519d

Here is the letter that the Brackenbury Residents Association sent to the Council today. If you want to object you can do so until 14 October. Given the postal strike it might be best to email, rather than send a letter. Email to ruth.craig@lbhf.gov.uk. Thank you.Ruth CraigEnvironment and Planning DepartmentLondon Borough of Hammersmith and FulhamTown Hall King Street London W6October 4 2007Dear Ms CraigPlanning Application ref 2007/02005Development of NCP Car Park site adjacent to Hammersmith and City Line Station HammersmithWe refer to the application for planning permission for the development of the car park site beside Hammersmith and City Station, on the corner of Hammersmith Grove and Beadon Road. The site is well known to the Brackenbury Residents Association, and forms a significant element of the urban fabric where the Association membership resides. The BRA has carefully reviewed the application design and visited the site to consider the impact of the proposed development. We have discussed the proposals with the membership and we have reviewed the Council policy for the area.On the basis of this investigation, we object to the application, and request that the Council refuses planning permission. The development is too large: the single unrelieved mass of building is out of scale with the site surroundings, and would create an overbearing presence which would dominate and spoil the views in the area. The area of office and commercial space within the building would generate levels of vehicular and pedestrian activities which would disrupt and intrude on the residential areas alongside. The excessive size of the building brings no benefit to the Hammersmith community.We would note in particular the following:Urban context in Hammersmith Grove: Hammersmith Grove is a fine avenue of Victorian and Edwardian villas and terraces, acknowledging the borders of the town centre with the larger scale buildings of the former Wimpey campus. The application site stands at the end of this street, and its development will impact on both residential and city centre activities, and the different priorities of residential and city centre zones must be taken into account in any development proposal. However, contrary to the reports and descriptions provided with the application, the appearance of the application design pays no heed whatsoever to its urban context: it is a featureless mass of commercial accommodation, creating a huge overbearing presence unrelated to its surroundings. Consent should be refused because it is wholly unsuitable for the sensitivities of this site. Urban context in Lyric Square: the community has endured both the substantial cost and the lengthy construction time which created Lyric Square, and we treasure the new open space that has emerged. The application site effectively forms the top corner of the square, and any building on the site should respect the scale of the eclectic mix of contemporary and historic buildings which surround Lyric Square. The ten-storey singular mass of building proposed for the site has no respect for its neighbours, and will create an overbearing presence which will dominate the square. The profile of the new building will fill every northerly view from the square and will destroy the urban pattern which forms the square. The building will dwarf the Lyric Theatre – we will have not Lyric Square, more Blob Square. The success of Lyric Square will be wasted by the proposed design. The application design proposes to continue the Lyric Square paving across Beadon Road to form a link with the proposed building; this link would be totally ineffectual due to the heavy traffic on Beadon Road which forms a barrier between the site and the square. This traffic would increase significantly if the building were to proceed. Planning context: the Council UDP singles out the application site and lists those specific policies with which an application should comply, including:EN2 Development in Conservation areas: this policy requires that development “will only be permitted if the character or appearance of the conservation area is preserved or enhanced….particular regard will be given to details such as scale, massing, bulk, height…relationship to adjoining buildings…open spaces. New developments must where possible respect the historic context, volume scale, form, materials and quality…” The application building fails on every one of these criteria: it does not enhance the character of the area, its scale is excessive, its bulk is overbearing and massive, it is higher than any building in the vicinity, it pays no respect whatsoever to historic context.Consent should be refused because the application does not meet the Council UDP policy requirements which are specifically referred to the application site.EN2B: Effect of development on the setting of conservation areas…: “…development will only be permitted if the character or appearance of the conservation areas in terms of their setting and views into or out of them is preserved or enhanced”.The proposed building is so big that it dominates and overpowers the conservation area views: it is not a new neighbour, it is a dictator.Planning pressure: town centres are designed to support the density of pedestrian, vehicular and service demands associated with large commercial buildings. The development proposal, with over 420,000 square feet of offices and over 15,000 square feet of restaurants, will generate a huge pressure on surrounding facilities, not only in the town centre, but also in Hammersmith Grove and environs. The site is on the border of a large residential area, and the development proposal will create an unacceptable level of disturbance in the nearby residential streets. A significant proportion of the up to 4,000 office users leaving at the end of each working day, and the restaurant and cinema users leaving late into the night, will fill Hammersmith Grove and disperse into the surrounding residential areas. 4,000 office workers and 15,000 sq ft of restaurant require substantial goods delivery, courier service and refuse disposal, for which every service vehicle has to enter and leave the site via Hammersmith Grove. This volume of accommodation is totally inappropriate for a site bordering a large residential area and on the edge of a town centre of relatively small urban scale.Development benefits: the application site forms the backdrop to Lyric Square and is located on a prominent corner of the borough; it is an important Hammersmith location and appropriate development is long overdue. New cinema facilities would be welcome but would be preferred at the existing cinema location in King Street; further restaurant space is not needed but would provide appropriate life and activity at street level if it were properly managed. However 420,000 square feet of office space and a ten storey building provide no benefit to the community, and are an unacceptable price for the borough to pay for the feasibility of the development. Planning permission should not be granted for this application. The development is too big, the building is too dominant, the benefit to Hammersmith is too small. The application should be refused.Yours sincerelyRichard Winterton on behalf ofBrackenbury Residents AssociationThis letter has been issued following our telephone call to Ruth Craig when it was confirmed that whilst the formal public consultation period has passed, public comments received prior to October 14 will be fully taken into account in the planning report due to be prepared for the planning committee

Rosemary Pettit ● 6522d

Stuart,Most people on this site know I am a councillor. I don't say "Cllr Mark Loveday" all the time because (frankly) using a 'title' can sound a bit like old Alf Roberts. As it happens, I do live pretty near the NCP Car Park, but that's by the bye.I suggest you go back and carefully read my post. I didn't defend the plans - in fact I criticised the developer and TfL pretty clearly. My post simply rebutted the rather silly suggestion that this was some kind of all-encompassing conspiracy involving the Council and the King Street regeneration project at the other end of the High Street.As far as I am aware, there has not been a public meeting, although there have been representations to the developer and to the planning department by the Hammersmith Society and the Historic Buildings Group (to name but two). It is factually correct that the developer has changed its proposals in response to this opposition. Whether these changes are enough is up to the planning committee which is meeting shortly. I couldn't possible comment one way or another ahead of that meeting since it could create legal problems.However, I won't in any way apologise for the conclusion of my original post. Whatever you may think about these plans, a bomb site car park is not the permanent solution to this important site. It wouldn't take PPS (whoever they are) or a Press Release from the developer to say that.Let's try to be constructive. What kind of building would you like to see on the land?

Mark Loveday ● 6527d

Let's leave aside the Town Hall redevelopment project for a moment and concentrate on the NCP carpark. I am glad that Mark Loveday acknowledges - if I'm right in thinking so? - that the developer's plans are flawed. In particular, I'm thinking of a 12-storey green bubble towering over the northern end of Lyric Square, completely at odds - in tone, size and scale - with its neighbours. It bears absolutely no relationship to the existing architecture of Lyric Square or King St (or anything else for that matter), its main purpose is to provide office accommodation, of which we already have more than we need, and it will cause severe parking and traffic headaches in what is already one of the most congested parts of London. And all this before the huge shopping complex of Westfield in Shepherds Bush comes on stream next year.No one should be fooled by the developer's claim to have amended the scheme to take account of residents' views. It has, I understand, been amended by 5% - mere tinkering. My residents' association did not play ball with the developer who was required to consult residents - he cannot claim to have consulted us. We are opposing the plans and urge all others to do so. The deadline has passed but Ruth Craig (the Council officer concerned) will take submissions for some time yet.The proposed building no doubt meets the minimum eco requirements but the field here is moving so fast that all new commercial property should be required to offer the best in water, heat, light, insulation and energy standards. This building is largely glass and cannot possibly aspire to carbon neutrality. Why be so out-of-date before you even begin?I have no doubt that the Council administration welcomes the section 106 monies that inevitably accompany a large-scale development like this. But there is more than one way of doing this and more than one building to do it with.This is not the right building for this site. Its purpose -office space - is not needed. It effects will make the centre of Hammersmith unbearable. It doesn't even pretend to green credentials, despite its colour.Any chance of it becoming a park with grass and trees? Didn't think so. We're really short of green space round here.In the absence of a park we should get a building which will really enhance Hammersmith - and this can never be it.

Rosemary Pettit ● 6529d

John,I think your criticism of the Council over this site is unfair.The NCP site is a scheme put together by a private developer in partnership with Transport for London (i.e. Ken Livingstone). Like anyone else, they don't have to consult with the Council or the public before submitting a planning application, and they didn't. The Council was presented with their proposals without any real advance notice. Perhaps had they spoken to us first, we would have told them what would and would not work. If fact, as I understand it, the developer has amended its scheme to take into account the views of residents. The consultation period is a legal maximum set by government. We are not allowed to extend it, whether we like it or not. As for the cinema at the NCP, this was entirely independent from the King Street regeneration proposals. In fact, the Council had already specified in the design brief for the new piazza site on the Town Hall extension site that developers should try to include a replacement cinema for the Cineworld at King Street - despite the fact that anyone can see that Cineworld is dying on its feet. The proposal for the NCP site is for a very different type of cinema mixing family viewing with screens for low budget specialist films (see posting by Everyman elsewhere on this forum).I'm also afraid that your "plush new offices for councillors" line is also way wide of the mark. The fact is that the Town Hall extension is falling down as a result of lack of repairs over many years and it needs to be pulled down. Do you really want to keep the ugliest building in west London or do you want a public piazza and huge improvements to the western end of King Street into the bargain?It's a free country, so you can say what you want. However, personally I want to see more opportunities for local people. This means fewer bomb site car parks, fewer concrete municipal eyesores, more employment prospects, better education and more and better housing. This also often involves new cinemas, new restaurants, new quality shopping and new housing. The NCP site and the Town Hall extension are not linked, but they both provide opportunities to do this.

Mark Loveday ● 6539d

There actually has been some public consultation over this issue over the past three months or so - there were 3 open days in mid June to publicise the potential development and it has been discussed on this forum fairly regularly since. Granted, I don't think anyone wants to see too much more empty office space in the town centre, but it is important that Hammersmith is kept vibrant and alive - at the moment the grubby and congested King Street with it's poor shopping offer and limited facilities would be no match for development elsewhere and this would be likely to result in significant decline in the area longer term.  Additionally, the 'beautiful art deco' cinema at the other end of King Street has itself been allowed to decline over the past few years since (and even before to some extent) it was sold by it's cinema operator (the former UGC now Cineworld) to Tesco's property arm and god knows, none of us wanted another giant Tesco in that location. The demolition I think applies to the modern town hall extension anyway which I don't think would be much of an aesthetic loss. I have no axe to grind here - I'm just a resident who wants the best for the area.  I think though if we want a good lively and attractive town centre here in Hammersmith we need to be open to development, albeit using our influence as residents to make sure it's well handled, designed and managed.  I agree there are significant traffic flow issues in relation to the NCP site and many points of design that need to be considered further, however, I can't see that a car park with hoardings around it is a better asset to the town than a mixed use development anchored by a good cinema/theatre operator and possible improvements to links to the tube stations.

Frances McAllister ● 6540d